Lex Hale

this suggestion was made for tariq rocket 

Type of Suggestion?: Server Suggestion

Please explain what the suggestion is about and why you're posting it?: Stopwatch on phone or a button you can press to start a timer so cops can time how long till they can S1 and such.  Plus it's easier to have for evidence if its in game.

Solution on how to make this work?: Dev work, like always!

Pros & Cons?:
Pros: Good for cops
Cons: Maybe fps problems?  Idk

Anymore thoughts?

7 hours ago, Alex Guzman said:

When I first read this post it sounded like a pretty good idea but after reading all of your points you are right in my opinion especially as a fellow top crafter lol.

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Ahahahahahahahahahaha. If you can read the post right now and tell me how this is nerfing you I will give you 1 mil in game.

just to clarify.

you are NOT losing anything that’s currently in either bench, if it is in the advanced workbench currently it will be moved to normal crafting and cheaper.

i used .300s as an example, if it’s in either benches it will not be in the new advanced crafting.

your current crafting level will stay the same and apply to only the normal workbench, and all your goals will still be there and same requirements.  I will make a proposed drawing when i get home.

15 hours ago, Raphael Mephistopheles said:

1. I don't believe there is enough advanced workbench weapons to fully separate the skill and start from 1 again. I'll cover another point with this, as 7.62 is not a near future thing that is coming back.

2. Firing pins could be replaced with changing up the processed uranium in recipes to uranium bars or even diamond since no recipes use it. Keeps the weapon value up without actually having to spend a fortune for parts. 

3. Advanced workbench should stay in warehouses and bunkers. People spent a fortune mainly for storage and access to this.

4. To sum the rest up, I don't think adding two crafting skills in would help, and a lot of people are already in that slow progression stage in leveling up. The struggle is more real for those who don't have an assembly line of workers feeding them resources. 7.62, all the magazines before and fun shit can be a later thing that gets trickled in. That will get balanced out some with what cops can access, but at the same time the people who put the effort in should be able to make their profits or have some fun with their weapons. I feel like yeeting the firing pins out and just changing it to another resource will be a better start to the solution.

There is no end game on anzus currently, that's more what this suggestion is pushing for.  Separating the two craftings, making one advanced and having suppressors, 7.62s, 6.5s like promets, etc.  But I get your point as in the present moment.  I can come up with 15 weapons/items that can go in advanced and just have it 15 levels but they are hard to grind, each level unlocks an item.  And the advanced weapon bench shouldn’t be every crafter feeding mk-1s, it’s for those going above and beyond.

Thanks isaak

1 hour ago, James Alucard said:

Also,

"Slower progression so the wipe lasts longer, will be harder to level advanced workbench"

 

There is 1 single person on the entire island that can even craft any of the guns that are relevant from the advanced workbench...

Yup.  And he can keep everything he has.  Just moved to normal workbench same lv requirements and not as expensive.  Whats the problem?  Also, it's not even 7.1

8 minutes ago, Ethran Alucard said:

Some of my thoughts, sorry if they are hurtful :<
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They aren't hurtful, just objectively wrong.  Because you're going off of the assumption the advanced workbench will have anything that is currently in crafting, it won't besides maybe honey badgers.  I have been told there is no 7.62, 6.5, etc in crafting.  Blood diamonds is because these higher tier weapons NEED a risk and NEED to be expensive.  They are very very strong.  Top 10 crafters won't lose anything as everything currently will be moved to normal crafting bench and they will keep their levels.  Firing pins will not be changed, just simply moved to these advanced weapons to make sure they stay expensive and allow normal 5.56 class 3s to go back to their original cheap price.

5 minutes ago, Hunter Kio said:

The only comment I will have to add, is there would have to be some trickle down as cops get better gear, for civs who don't have access to those resources. To my understanding(and please correct me if I am wrong) most weapon crafter are in-house(i.e they are gang members who make weapons for there gang and maybe 1 or 2 others). If that is the case, then there has to be some kind of trickle down over time. If it's not, please disregard 

I know a few of the big gangs buy from out of house crafters as they are the highest levels, so I think it might be off to say that but I'm not sure as well.

2 minutes ago, Hunter Kio said:

I don't know much about civ life. All I can say is I'm getting clapped alot by dudes with crazy guns. I have heard a lot about the addition of the firing pins making weapons too expensive. I would be cool toning that down.

 

On the topic of larger caliber weapons, I don't like it. 99% of cops are 5.56. I understand that might change as the economy changes but I still don't like it. It would have to be very hard and very expensive 

It will be.  It's a whole separate crafting level than the current one so everyone will restart, it costs a lot more, and it will take a very long time to upgrade, and I can write up a sheet so when civs starting using "x", cops are allowed "y" to match the caliber.

1 minute ago, Hunter Kio said:

I get frustrated when people balance civ vs cop as saying "just give it to swat". Swat is literally like 6 dudes. On an average chase/interaction with civs, there is no swat. I only see swat at majors. So balancing something like above(i.e giving out sost mags to every civ for 100) and just saying "give it to swat" to balance it for pd is ridiculous. I am JTF, so I don't patrol much, but it's shocking the amount of times I'm in a gun fight with large gangs with class 3s. Therefore your "balance" idea, makes it so civs have a even bigger weapons advantage on average throughout the server. In best case, when one of the swat guys is in a situation you have 1 guy who is on even footing...

I agree but +1 or -1 on the suggestion or any input on it?

Type of Suggestion?: Server Suggestion

Please explain what the suggestion is about and why you're posting it?:

• Remove the advanced workbench from everyone, refund their purchases, and move everything that is currently in advanced workbench over to the regular workbench

• Remove firing pins from the normal crafting bench recipes

• Require lv 50-60 crafting to unlock the advanced workbench

• The advanced workbench has it's own leveling system therefore you will start at lv 1

• You can only progress in XP on the advanced workbench by crafting advanced workbench weapons

• These weapons WILL require blood diamonds and firing pins, and will be harder than regular crafting bench runs and these will be reverting back to their original state

• These items will be the likes of .300, 7.62, ghillie suits, etc. (NO EXTENDED MAGAZINES, but SOST are okay  ) (Let me make a clarification since people seem to not understand, these are examples, as stated above if they are in your current bench they will be moved over with the same lv requirements so you are not losing anything)

• In turn, your normal class 3s will go back to their original prices, you will have to grind more yes for these advanced weapons, but these items you never had in your crafting benches in 7.0 (besides the honey badger if it is moved).

• Slower progression so the wipe lasts longer, will be harder to level advanced workbench

• Max profits from expensive and fun weaponry

There will be a weapon caliber tab added to the major and civilians will select their highest caliber so cops know what to bring so we can match and not bring higher tiers to 5.56 majors.  Cops will not be given access to higher tier weapons until we see an influx of high tier weapons out and there will be benchmarks on what weapons will be given based on what is being out.  But this crafting system should take a LONG time to level so we don't see mk-1s in 4 days.

Side note: If this does happen, cop SOPS should be relooked at in terms of raiding and dealing with BD as they will be a lot more common and such.

Solution on how to make this work?:

A lot of dev work

Pros & Cons?:

A lot of pros

Barely any cons

1 hour ago, Johnny Robbing said:

WHAT U SMOKEING BOY CAUSE IVE NEVER META GAMED TO SELL GUNS THEN HOW COME IVE BEEN RAID ????????? and if that the case why didnt u do it then also u where getting guns cheaper then the trader now ur paying so price u acc confuse me lex LS

I don't play civ anymore johnny and when I do I buy straight from rebel, and maybe you don't but everyone else did lol.  Just because we get cheaper guns doesn't mean it's not a problem or shouldn't be addressed, that's like me walking up to the vendor and seeing a gun for $1 and not telling the devs because I get it cheap.  Also, just because you got raided doesn't mean it's still not a problem that the majority of other crafters meta game sell guns.  

On 3/17/2024 at 9:45 AM, Johnny Robbing said:

the pushiest is being raid and having to start collect again so there is a pushiest if ur not clever u get caught and raid to be honest  i dont want to play after crafting update just ruined my gameplay and i dont have all the time on my hands so gg 

johnny you guys sold guns through discord and there was no way to catch you realistically until the gun was made.  Plz man  You guys are acting like you don't/didn't have the easiest and most profitable thing on the island

3 hours ago, John Bunnings said:

If you want to make this realistic talk happen, let's wait hours for precision milling and rifling of each barrel that wears out after 2k rounds, and you need to clean dirt from your rifle, jamming can happen, weapon overheats... Why bother? 

 

The clear intent is that they want crafting to only be profitable when risks are taken. Maybe the amount of uranium required could be lowered therefore same risk = more reward, but this is a roleplay server, unless thousands is spent in Dev time, there isn't going to be super realistic fixes for errors like this, especially if we recall that not long ago some Honey badgers were created and just wiped...

The honey badger is an odd one out. Guaranteed two tap internally suppressed gun that was already being crafted and used by pvpers before 7.1.  

31 minutes ago, John Bricks said:

you never really know how someone's saying something over text. Just saying, everyone's got their own take on things. If you're not sure, maybe just ask 'em straight up. No need for drama, especially in a suggestion spot.

me and ross are friends I was just messing with him  but ty for the concern

48 minutes ago, Ross Lee said:

I totally agree that there was 0 risk involved in making guns before. I assumed they would fix this, which they did by adding in uranium. I'm absolutely malding that instead of altering the recipes since they added uranium, they chose to leave them how they were before PLUS uranium AND firing pins which have to be purchased! If you wanted to add risk to crafting, make uranium a required add, and remove the requirement for rubber bars for example. The addition of firing pins is completely ridiculous. This was your way of artificially raising the prices? Really? Requiring that the alucards sell at an SMT set price for honey badger-type weapons wasn't enough for you? Let the player market drive the prices, stop intervening. If you have an issue with the prices, up the crafting requirements for the higher-end guns. Not sure what we're thinking here guys.

Please do not raise your voice Ross Lee

What South said, you guys are pumping infinite guns with no risk and making infinite money.  They fucked it up at the beginning and are balancing crafting out.

Type of Suggestion?: (e.g. server suggestion, server rule suggestion.) Server Rule Suggestion

Please explain what the suggestion is about and why you're posting it?: The rule set is too much, too knit picked, etc.  We need to bring the rule set back to 4.0 or 3.0, with the obvious additions due to new content.  But it feels like EVERYTHING has a rule regarding it.  Rules need to be reduced by a lot imo, and everyone needs to be on the same page.  It feels people worry more about being reported/reporting others than just playing and enjoying their time like it was in 3.0 and 4.0.  People aren't learning from their mistakes as people are just bitching over every single knit picked rule. People need to talk more to figure out their problems which I know there is ideas in the works for this and I hope it comes, it's really good it just feels like there is so little communication between everyone about everything.  (This is just my opinion don't hang me over it).

I'd also like to bring attention to this old suggestion by Eren 

Solution on how to make this work?: Reduce the rule set, or replace them with 3.0/4.0 ruleset with obvious additions for new content.

Pros & Cons?:

Pro: 
Cons: 

-1 to suggestion, but +1 to nex for 4.0 crafting to return

-1 you had no punishment or risk for crafting and made infinite money

8 minutes ago, Mario Rogue said:

It shouldn't move you a channel, if you use the channels with your numpad such as being on channel 3, for .3 then it would not move you back to channel 1 to get on .1
Are you manually setting your freqs?

I don't have a numpad

15 minutes ago, Mario Rogue said:

As a cop when you get out of heli and boat, your freqs will be preset to the cop freqs

It shouldn't matter to you if you are on certain cop freq, radios are being a bit iffy when sometimes its stuck on replacing your radios non-stop, the current solve to that is just to drop it and pick it back up we are looking into it.

It does matter if I'm at a major and get out of a heli and I'm randomly on .1 instead of .3

Type of Suggestion?: (e.g. server suggestion, server rule suggestion.) server suggestion

Please explain what the suggestion is about and why you're posting it?: every time you get out of a heli it resets your radio freq (or it does on cop at least)

Solution on how to make this work?: idk fix or revert how it used to be

Pros & Cons?: 

pros: good

cons: none

The smoke in 6.5 was good!